Match Dates and Inactivity

The general rule has been to play within 10 days of the accepted date. I will start updating the match date to reflect those 10 days once the automated match date has been accepted. If it is not played within that time frame I will kill the match. If a team continues to have matches killed I will start dropping them on the ladder. Exceptions will be of course, holidays. Superbowl is not a holiday, just in case you were wondering. This applies to all new matches starting today. Almost all teams are capable of playing 2-3 matches a month. There are 7 teams with 20+ players on their team. Start playing or the ladder will get shutdown.

rlh

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Teamwarfare Renegades Ladder Admin

i thought you were trying to save it?

/me shakes head. *sigh*

okay, now you're just reaching.

2 matches a month would not be legal in this new rule.

he's just reminding everyone to play your matches on a timely basis otherwise it's out of his control. GEEEEZ

k

petition to make super bowl a holiday.

signed.

-1 cool points for signing your own petition.


Havax says: root is teaching them the ways of HK (qfire and losing).

Originally posted by: ellis D
2 matches a month would not be legal in this new rule.

assuming you always have a match going, that is correct. However if you play a match and arent challenged/dont challenge for some time, 2 matches is "legal".

Originally posted by: ellis D
i thought you were trying to save it?

I find your statement ludicrous and insiduous, what the hell have you done to help? All I have been doing for the last 6 months is actively trying to keep this game alive, can you say that? I didn't think so! I shouldn't expect anything less from you though, that is what you said of the previous ladder admin. Seems nobody is gonna measure up for you.

Playing one match a month is not making the ladder better? We have all been through this before, right now only two matches are scheduled and one match is gonna be 3 weeks old before it gets played. That is hardly very active and TWL can and will shut it down. I am not gonna be the one to shut it down, I am the one trying to get teams to play to prove that we SHOULDN'T be shutdown. Do you think that a ladder with only 9 teams that only play once, maybe twice a month is what TWL is gonna keep around? They just shutdown one game that had 6 teams on it but only a couple were active. We are not special, if we do not continue to be active we are not gonna be around much longer. Some of you guys are so worried about winning/losing and position on the ladder that your gonna kill it. Who really cares, on a 9 team ladder, what place your in. Challenge and play the damn game. People see the ladder constantly active they are gonna want to join in on the fun. They see a ladder sitting dead, no reason to join if you aren't going to play. Simple idealology, is it gonna hurt you to play the game that "you" want to keep alive. Everyone complains about pubs, everyone wants PU because they are as close to a match as you can get without playing in one. Well damn, why not just play a match every week instead of a PU. You got 20+ people on most teams, play the damn game.
Post edited by rlh at 1/28/2004 4:02:06 PM

}p9{rlh
Teamwarfare Renegades Ladder Admin

i'd voice my opinion but i'd probably get banned.


Havax says: root is teaching them the ways of HK (qfire and losing).

still think its dumb, most teams cant play every week, or during the week.

rlh you really dont think before you post, im was asking why, after being so gung ho about saving t2, are you enforcing a rule that could in effect fuck with alot teams schedules.

most teams play on sundays, most teams challenge on sundays.

even your own team says sundays is your best day.

telling me that im not doing anything to help is purely your opinion, you dont know what i do to help.

you say why not play a match every week?

people have things to do, more important than a game.

finally, im all for not having matches go 3 weeks, but im not for having to play a match in 10 days or forfiet loss or drop rungs. its fucking gay.

btw we wouldve played superbowl sunday, but whats the point of a 10 vs 2 or 5?

10 xm vs however many down afo.

Personally rlh, i see your point on why we need to challenge. But figure in this. Me and about 9 - 12 other xm members are in school, overseas, etc. That cuts the week out for us, personally i have a hard time making practices for the match. so yeah maybe teams have 20+ people who can play, but then you have the ones in school, so now we are down to 5 to 8 on the weekdays and maybe the same if not more on weekends. I understand everyone else has lives as well, not saying you don't. I am pretty sure that XM for the last couple of weeks had a match every other week. Which of course meets your/TWL's qutoa...so why the post? If every team pretty much does this, why is there a threat. If TWL wants every to play one match per week or get 3 matches per month, then they should say that in the rules. Until then, i really think TWL can just shove it. So yeah we have 9 teams, i am willing to bet that every team on other ladders don't challenge as much as us.

Finally, i know rlh you are probably doing what you are told from higher up memebers, and i know you are a good guy for telling us. But I think they need to realize that there is more then havign a match every single week. I don't want to play matches where it is 10 vs 2 or having to give up a match becuase we can't make the date work in 10 days. I want matches to be fun, and being forced to play a match is not going to be fun. But I guess there is nothing i can do...so oh well.


"So who is this infamous Macho SexFactor" - MNX05

I say SuperBowl Sunday should be a holiday and am thankful for all the work rlh has put in for Renegades!

If your trying to tell Teamwarfare that Renegades will dictate their own playing schedule, then we are done.

I will draw a short time line then I will be done posting about this. You guys can talk amongst yourselfs but I am warning everyone of the inevitable end if the ladder stays inactive.

We had 10+ teams on the ladder and went to 12 man matches. We lost teams due to various reasons but the main one being lack of players. No one could get enough people to play, ren was dying no new players were showing up. The ladder was reduced to 8 teams and the matches were changed to 10 player matches. Almost every team said the same thing, leave it at 12 because we will have players sitting in 10 vs 10 and that is just not reasonable. Now the teams are being told to play each week, or damn near it, and the same ones are saying they can't field 10 players for a match each week. Yet the roster size has gone unchanged (and in some cases increased) and by playing each week those same teams that complained about players not playing, would have to play everyone. You can't have it both ways.

rlh
Post edited by rlh at 1/28/2004 6:32:30 PM

}p9{rlh
Teamwarfare Renegades Ladder Admin

This means no more dropping teams to the bottom of a 7-8 team ladder to take a 2 month rest.

****your almost done here******
******take the hint*****
Post edited by rlh at 1/28/2004 7:16:25 PM

Originally posted by: rlh
Superbowl is not a holiday

u need to stop lieing to yourself rlh, its not good

Originally posted by: rlh
If your trying to tell Teamwarfare that Renegades will dictate their own playing schedule, then we are done.

I will draw a short time line then I will be done posting about this. You guys can talk amongst yourselfs but I am warning everyone of the inevitable end if the ladder stays inactive.

We had 10+ teams on the ladder and went to 12 man matches. We lost teams due to various reasons but the main one being lack of players. No one could get enough people to play, ren was dying no new players were showing up. The ladder was reduced to 8 teams and the matches were changed to 10 player matches. Almost every team said the same thing, leave it at 12 because we will have players sitting in 10 vs 10 and that is just not reasonable. Now the teams are being told to play each week, or damn near it, and the same ones are saying they can't field 10 players for a match each week. Yet the roster size has gone unchanged (and in some cases increased) and by playing each week those same teams that complained about players not playing, would have to play everyone. You can't have it both ways.

rlh

i am not saying that we can dictate when or when we cannot play. I am saying that it is bull that if a team is being forced to play short or lose the match. I thought that was the reason for match comms was to work the date out for when both teams could be there. AND if they couldn't agree, they could get the matched killed. Or do i have that wrong.

Anyway, rlh i am not saying what you are doing is bad nor that i am mad at you, personalyl i think you have done a fine job as admin with all the crap that has happened since you started, and i know you have "bosses" to answer to. I just think it is crap, that a few teams don't start a match with another team for one week it is such a big deal. I went to a couple of different ladders and looked at their challenges, take C&C: Generals. Just about every ladder had about 1 or 2 challenges, one had 23 teams! That is what makes me mad about the issue, not you or the idea of ren being closed down, but I feel ren is being picked on for some reason unlike other games. And yeah in the C&C forums it was stated they were inactvie, but that started on 10-30-03. But nothing is done about it yet.

i agree rlh with you that we need to challenge, but personally, i can't control what lower teams do, why don't we have it so any team can challenge any team, without having to be below the other team...to me since we are a smaller ladder it might help out some. But like I said, this is just my opinion on an issue.


"So who is this infamous Macho SexFactor" - MNX05

dcr/w needs to challenge 3g..

I initiated this rule months ago so I dont knw why you guys seem so suprised. The fact you play 1 match a month is BS and a waste of time ladder IMO. You make a challenge, pick 2 dates and the other team selects one. Some of you just keep pushing the dates of these challenges for like 15-21 days or more, it is not acceptable. There are 7 days in a week, most of you play Sindays and thats fine. but dont complain when you lose challenges or get removed when you continue to go past the 10 days. Remember it is 10 days from the originally scheduled match date. That means you have like 17+ days from the original challenge to get it done with.

{Rk|^Kodiak
Teamwarfare Senior Ops Staff

Just pick a date and stick to it, problem solved.

The admin can kill a match, though it needs to be for a good reason and if the same team has to keep having matches killed they will get removed from the ladder. That is how it goes.

rlh

}p9{rlh
Teamwarfare Renegades Ladder Admin

drama drama... how about just cutting the roster limit? that solves all probs

One match a week is fine. More fun too. Shouldn't need that much practice for a game that's been out for ages.

Originally posted by: rlh

I find your statement ludicrous and insiduous, what the hell have you done to help? All I have been doing for the last 6 months is actively trying to keep this game alive, can you say that? I didn't think so! I shouldn't expect anything less from you though, that is what you said of the previous ladder admin. Seems nobody is gonna measure up for you.

i dont think drone needs to bring up how much he has done for this community every chance he gets to boost his ego, because he doesnt go telling every one or try to win an argument with how much he has done doesnt mean he hasnt done anything.

Originally posted by: Valmor
Just pick a date and stick to it, problem solved.

Since I don't play T2 much anymore, or even participate in TWL all that much (outside of PUs- and thanks to those who make those happen), I'm a bit perplexed as to why playing a match, which doesn't seem to take all that horribly long (given the length of the average T2TV cast), would be such a huge deal to take place in 10 days of an accepted date.

You don't pay for credit cards 15, 20 days past the time you receive the statement. It is just plain stupid. You shouldn't jerk around admins who donate their time to this ladder by doing this kind of thing. Its silly, and patently unfair to others who have the people to play a match, but can't because some others are holding everyone else up. If you do it enough, you ought to expect to pay a price for it. You don't HAVE to play the day you set because, frankly, life happens, but then it becomes your perogative to get it done within the set time frame. Don't, and expect to have some consequences.


ATKINS IS FICTICIOUS!

the BS of this thread wouldn't exist if the superbowl counted as a holiday, it's only the most watched event on TV, EVER, EVERY YEAR. Otherwise more matches = win.

Play the match saturday or monday.

Originally posted by: -Mr-Bojangles
the BS of this thread wouldn't exist if the superbowl counted as a holiday, it's only the most watched event on TV, EVER, EVERY YEAR. Otherwise more matches = win.

I wouldn't say ever, in the US maybe.


Havax says: root is teaching them the ways of HK (qfire and losing).

ren is still the second largest forum on twl... its not like twl is the ohhh mighty god of internet gaming and that ren is burning up all its bandwidth....
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Originally posted by: DigitalFiction
Play the match saturday or monday.

LMAO you play tribes on saturday
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Please do not offend my religion RLH. In my religion, football that is, the Super Bowl is the holiest day of the year. It is a holiday!


-Dr. Shoeless Joe Jackson
of THE University of Florida

I agree with rlh - but superbowl sunday IS a holiday no matter what anyone says. Both teams simply forgot it was superbowl - no big deal. This is being blown WAY out of proportion.

Originally posted by: strydr26 AFO
I agree with rlh - but superbowl sunday IS a holiday no matter what anyone says. Both teams simply forgot it was superbowl - no big deal. This is being blown WAY out of proportion.

agreed, and for me it is more, it is my sis B-day party


"So who is this infamous Macho SexFactor" - MNX05

whos up for some americas army?

i am, bridge crossing owns you

Sunday Night League. > Ladder for 8 teams.
Thurs Night League. > Power Ladder for the spawn.

or something like that. would be a lot more fun.