Important Changes for Halo Ladders/Leagues

Competition ManagerGame OperationsHalo & Halo 2 Xbox

2004-11-29 04:47

Effective December 6, all TeamWarfare Halo Rung Ladders and Leagues will be played on Halo PC. In addition to this change, the 4v4 Race Ladder and the 5v5 Slayer Ladder have been suspended since the number of active teams has dropped below 10. To compensate for the lost ladders, a new Power Ladder will be intruduced. The rules are very flexible (allowing teams to agree to almost anything including Halo PC/CE, maps, players (3-8), and gametype (race, ctf, assault, kings, oddball, slayer)). Full rules explaining how the Power Ladder will work will be posted in the next few days. The existing rules pages and downloads will also be updated today or tomorrow.
Post edited by -I- BullZi at 11/29/2004 4:48:00 AM

EX_Maniac

Competition StaffLadder AdminHalo PC

2004-11-29 09:28

dropping race????? noo!!!!!!!!

Halo PC? yay!

power ladder sounds fun.
Post edited by EX_Maniac at 11/29/2004 9:29:16 AM

EX_Casualty

TWL Member

2004-11-29 09:41

Can't wait to see how the power ladder will work. Good job admins, this oughta breathe new life into the league.

Kudos on the PC switch as well, although it's unfortunate it couldn't be something as simple as the playing clans decide which Halo they want to play on.

ReXoRz`

TWL Member

2004-11-29 10:12

Hm, I'm just a little confused here. So all ladders are to be played on PC, with no option of CE?

And then, the Power Ladder will allow us to choose between PC and CE, and we can play a varitey of gametypes and maps.

I just want to make sure I'm getting this clear...

{Ez0}MR.PINK{D}

Competition StaffLadder AdminHalo 2 Xbox

2004-11-29 10:15

You should also know that if BOTH TEAMS agree in Match Comms ONLY, you can play CE or PC. DEFAULT is PC, and if you cannot come up with an agreement between PC or CE, then PC will be played.

All will be more clear in the near future.
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MasterBash

TWL Member

2004-11-29 12:11

I can't play HaloPC for some reason, when I want to launch it nothing happens.

EX_Maniac

Competition StaffLadder AdminHalo PC

2004-11-29 12:37

Originally posted by: MasterBash
I can't play HaloPC for some reason, when I want to launch it nothing happens.

uninstall and reinstall. If that doesn't work... reformat!

EX_Kamikaze

TWL Member

2004-11-29 15:31

It would be interesting if, in the power ladder, we could have the option to do 1 round CTF, 1 round RACE, 1 round Assault (for example). Think you can do that ?

BugginOuT

TWL Member

2004-11-29 17:37

Few Questions:

Will the new maps still be played or just strictly the original ones?

That means I have to switch the server back to PC, right?
Post edited by Medic- at 11/29/2004 5:39:52 PM

EX_Maniac

Competition StaffLadder AdminHalo PC

2004-11-29 18:05

can't play the new maps on PC... therefore only original.

Matt_Long

nice to meet you

2004-11-29 18:21

move to pc is the worst choice TWL has made since moving to CE...
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BullZi

Competition ManagerGame OperationsHalo & Halo 2 Xbox

2004-11-29 18:40

Originally posted by: EX_Kamikaze
It would be interesting if, in the power ladder, we could have the option to do 1 round CTF, 1 round RACE, 1 round Assault (for example). Think you can do that ?

Yes! The power ladder will be awesome!

Asa Spades

TWL Member

2004-11-29 18:43

Originally posted by: EXHUMERS MILK oh yeah!
move to pc is the worst choice TWL has made since moving to CE...

le mow...
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BullZi

Competition ManagerGame OperationsHalo & Halo 2 Xbox

2004-11-29 18:44

Originally posted by: Medic-
Few Questions:

Will the new maps still be played or just strictly the original ones?

That means I have to switch the server back to PC, right?

Yes, I would suggest that you do. But if the teams agree to play Halo CE, they may.

One of the big reasons I supported going back to Halo PC was for Assault. The flag indicator ticked me off...it removed the element of deception from Assault.

[D12C]SpaZ

CompetitionDirectorSenior OperationsTWL Contributor

2004-11-29 22:10

What the admins did here was recognize the value of both PC and CE. Teams have the option of using either based on posted agreement in match comms. If by chance teams can not reach an agreement by match date then PC is to be used.

Why did we pick PC as default? Admins recognize the sheer numbers of PC over CE in the community. They also realize that a good way of maintaining this community is by catering to the status quo. There are teams who love CE still. You can still ask for it to be played.

Power Ladder!

This gives the power to the teams essentially. You pick the maps. You pick the game type. You decide if you want to do multiple types per map. You pick the number of players. You pick PC or CE. You decide on vehicles. You decide on weapons. You decline a challenge if settings can't be agreed on. You don't move up rungs for a single win. You earn points based on the matches you play. You can play as many as you wish in a single night or week.

Admin involvement in the power ladders is mainly on a dispute basis. You will need to submit screen shots or logs to admins and they check the agreement in match comms to see what doesn't match. usual match conduct issues and such still apply.

In short I believe the admins here did an excellent job to take the initiative to keep things going here. Now it's up to the community to respond!

[D12C]SpaZ
Teamwarfare Competition Director
"If there's one thing that comes across crisply and clearly in this one spoken word, it is that this guy is very responsible, inordinately busy, and not accustomed to or particularly appreciative of having people mess with him." -TWrecks

EX_Kamikaze

TWL Member

2004-11-29 22:52

What the admins did here was recognize the value of both PC and CE. Teams have the option of using either based on posted agreement in match comms. If by chance teams can not reach an agreement by match date then PC is to be used.

Why did we pick PC as default? Admins recognize the sheer numbers of PC over CE in the community. They also realize that a good way of maintaining this community is by catering to the status quo.

That's great, and I don't wanna bitch, but I have to. Why ? Cause I (and many others) got flammed all the time for proposing that very philosophy back in July when CE population was at around 100 ppl at the most on a good night (excluding New Mombassa release week ). Anyway, that's it. I like CE and it sucks that there are a bunch of good customs maps out there that were never played in pubs , dam you all 3 GB / MS / Bungie
Post edited by EX_Kamikaze at 11/29/2004 11:00:27 PM

EX_Maniac

Competition StaffLadder AdminHalo PC

2004-11-29 22:54

it may seem CE to PC move for EX seems to be split down the middle, but actually only 2 or 3 players don't like it (mainly those noobs phantom and milk )

I personally was against the move to CE in the first place, and I'm ecstatic TWL is moving back.

EX_Kamikaze

TWL Member

2004-11-29 23:02

Oh, forgot, GO POWER LADDER GO !!!

BullZi

Competition ManagerGame OperationsHalo & Halo 2 Xbox

2004-11-29 23:58

This was not an easy decision. I tossed and turned between Halo PC and Halo CE for weeks. I like both though, and I'm the exact same player in PC and CE...and over the last few weeks, many players have said the same thing. Names on heads vs. no flag indicator. Whatever...lol.
Post edited by -I- BullZi at 11/29/2004 11:58:33 PM

EX_Kamikaze

TWL Member

2004-11-30 12:57

Ok, u guys start working on the PC code for the name indicators, we'll keep working on making the multiplayer_hit_sound_volume 100 command thing

EX_Maniac

Competition StaffLadder AdminHalo PC

2004-11-30 15:55

Originally posted by: -I- BullZi
This was not an easy decision. I tossed and turned between Halo PC and Halo CE for weeks. I like both though, and I'm the exact same player in PC and CE...and over the last few weeks, many players have said the same thing. Names on heads vs. no flag indicator. Whatever...lol.

there's more than that... I personally am a better player in PC than CE... because no random leading in PC. They are different games in many aspects... It'll be interesting to see how the change affects the ladders... I'm hoping to see some old clans which got chased away by CE come back (yeah i know... dream on right...)

{WPC}Methos

TWL Member

2004-12-02 13:26

I'm guessing new gametypes will need to be created for this right? Last time I checked the CE ladder and league gametypes didn't work quite the same on PC.

XiRtNaT | Cmen

I really care!

2004-12-02 14:45

what exactly does multiplayer_hit_sound do?
rofl i seen it b4, but i have no friggen clue what it is...

EX_Maniac

Competition StaffLadder AdminHalo PC

2004-12-02 17:05

Originally posted by: Cmen1
what exactly does multiplayer_hit_sound do?
rofl i seen it b4, but i have no friggen clue what it is...

multiplayer_hit_sound_volume 100 turns the hit beeps up to max, making them a lot clearer so when there's a lot of action, you know when you've landed a hit.

{WPC}Rathe

TWL Member

2004-12-03 00:00

You can play custom maps in PC, you just have to know how to mod (not suggesting for the league). I for one think that the PC option was a good move, many of my teamates prefer it/are better on it.

Also I know the race ladder will be missed....

BullZi

Competition ManagerGame OperationsHalo & Halo 2 Xbox

2004-12-03 20:48

Originally posted by: {WPC}Methos
I'm guessing new gametypes will need to be created for this right? Last time I checked the CE ladder and league gametypes didn't work quite the same on PC.

I will create and add them ASAP. I work a lot of long hours in December so the files may not be up until Sunday afternoon or evening.

doLe^

TWL Member

2004-12-06 14:54

lol i just noticed this i like CE

BugginOuT

TWL Member

2004-12-07 17:35

We know that PC is default, but what happens if one clan wants to play PC and the other CE, does PC have a majority rule?

MasterBash

TWL Member

2004-12-07 19:33

Did they fix HaloPC's leading? I don't lead at all anymore, I shoot like on LAN, its awesome.

EX_Maniac

Competition StaffLadder AdminHalo PC

2004-12-08 01:09

Originally posted by: MasterBash
Did they fix HaloPC's leading? I don't lead at all anymore, I shoot like on LAN, its awesome.

erm? then how do you hit anything... i'm assuming you are joking? you have to lead on both pc and ce...

oh, and PC wins if CE isn't agreed upon by both.
Post edited by EX_Maniac at 12/8/2004 1:10:33 AM

MasterBash

TWL Member

2004-12-08 10:05

No I am not I just pubbed and all I do is aim the head, I dont even lead for shit.
At worst it's half a guy ahead, which is like HaloCE at 33 ms.
And that was with 66-100 ping.
Post edited by MasterBash at 12/8/2004 10:07:00 AM

EX_Maniac

Competition StaffLadder AdminHalo PC

2004-12-08 14:51

so you are saying you aren't having to lead on PC? odd because I was leading 3 masterchiefs ahead on one server the other day, and 2 on another...

MasterBash

TWL Member

2004-12-08 14:57

Nope I don't lead at all, I wish I could fraps but my fps is even lower than on CE, I get like 5-9 with fraps, stupid p3 800.

PrOjEcTiLeS

TWL Member

2004-12-08 18:18

Why not let the defending team decide CE or PC ? That way the defending team has some say to the match instead of being forced to play CE or PC .

BullZi

Competition ManagerGame OperationsHalo & Halo 2 Xbox

2004-12-09 05:00

Originally posted by: RioN
Why not let the defending team decide CE or PC ? That way the defending team has some say to the match instead of being forced to play CE or PC .

There has to be a standard. Not every server host gives the renter the option to switch between Halo PC and Halo CE. I'm sorry...but the decision is made. It only seems to be a few clans that are having a problem with this...everyone else is quite happy about it (or don't care either way). There are so many people out there that don't even know that Halo CE exists, it's foolish to keep that as our default.

PotatoOwnzYou

TWL Member

2004-12-11 13:06

HaloPC lead is nothing compared to CE lead, for some reason after playing CE for a long period of time it seems like they fixed the elad problem on PC but they didn't, it just seems that way because CE is teh gayness.I have to lead 3 masterchiefs with my pistol an 4-5 with sniper on CE, on pc maybe 1/3rd of a masterchief with pistol an like a half to a whole mastercheif with sniper depending on how far.I think this was a great decision.

(frost)

probably drunk

2004-12-12 12:31

also in this one...NO "announcement" of a new gametype...

EX_Maniac

Competition StaffLadder AdminHalo PC

2004-12-12 14:54

Originally posted by: Ai'BullZi
Originally posted by: {WPC}Methos
I'm guessing new gametypes will need to be created for this right? Last time I checked the CE ladder and league gametypes didn't work quite the same on PC.

I will create and add them ASAP. I work a lot of long hours in December so the files may not be up until Sunday afternoon or evening.

BullZi

Competition ManagerGame OperationsHalo & Halo 2 Xbox

2004-12-12 20:54

Originally posted by: EX_Maniac
Originally posted by: Ai'BullZi
Originally posted by: {WPC}Methos
I'm guessing new gametypes will need to be created for this right? Last time I checked the CE ladder and league gametypes didn't work quite the same on PC.

I will create and add them ASAP. I work a lot of long hours in December so the files may not be up until Sunday afternoon or evening.

Not sure if this post means, "Where the hell are the variants", but they are up and they are correct. If someone is unsure if they have the latest variant (the first PC release had a mistake for CTF), download it here: http://www.teamwarfare.com/files/dl/Halo/twl_halo_pc_ladders.zip

{WPC}Methos

TWL Member

2004-12-12 21:56

I don't see what the problem was. I mean BullZi said he'd try to have the gametypes up by Sunday and he got them up on Tuesday (and the CE/PC switch took effect on the Monday). In my books that was plenty of time for the majority of the matches occurring during that week to get and install the gametypes (considering most were scheduled on the weekend... 4-5 days after).

*shrug* I dunno but I didn't have any problems with that... but then maybe ppl just forgot about the switch until the last minute..